Ring-necked parakeets are among Britain's most divisive birds, loved by some for their beauty but blamed by others for harming native wildlife. In a programme to be screened tomorrow, Monday, on Channel 4 TV Chris Packham investigates claims that they steal nesting sites and damage crops as he asks whether these newcomers are ecological villains or unfairly targeted outsiders? Here is the Q&A to promote the programme which starts at 8pm
Ring-necked parakeets divide opinion like few other birds. Why do you think people feel so strongly about them?
I think the first thing is that they're highly conspicuous and not a species that you can miss. They're bright green, they scream, and they fly around in daylight in public places. I think then there is a genuine underlying xenophobia in life which makes us fearful of change and new things. So, the arrival of a species like this, or at least the increase in its numbers, is something which triggers people's fear, and that's what we explore. Change, and a fear of change is something which underpins this programme, and so much more of our contemporary life, and I do think it's something that we need to address. If we address that, which is something of a side issue for many people, maybe that will stimulate them to think, 'well, I need to keep an open mind, or at least make sure that I'm very well informed before I come up with views about more immediate impacts within our life'.
What is it about them that captures your imagination?
It is there the fact that they've come here. I'm excited by the fact that we have a species which has come into the UK and has rapidly increased in numbers.
Their numbers have exploded in recent decades. Should this be of concern?
I don't think we should be concerned. We need to look at the science, and what is it about this species and Britain's environment which has facilitated the species' success.
Do we have enough evidence to know what impact parakeets are having on Britain's native birds?
We have growing evidence, and we are working with the scientist Dr. Amy Leedale, who's doing most specific targeted work on that. The evidence that we do have isn't specific to parakeets in particular, and their impact. It's looking at broader data, not that that shouldn't be a means of understanding the basic ideas about what's happening, and equally perhaps it should be an early warning system, but the early warning system shouldn't lead to us jumping to conclusions. It should lead to more scientific research, and that's what we say in our programme.
Your film features people who are taking action against parakeets. Were you surprised by the strength of feeling they provoke?
Very sadly I wasn't surprised because I see that in our everyday life where people act through fear and ignorance and take extreme action because they are ill-educated or ill-informed and that again is why we've made the programme. We want to draw a line in the sand with this and say, look, this is the situation as it is at the moment, from a from a purely impartial, independent scientific perspective. This is what you should be formulating your opinions on. And was I surprised? No. Was I sick of? Of course I was, because what we're looking at is just wanton acts of vandalism.
How should we approach the question of controlling a species that many people have come to love?
It's not just about the biology and the ecology, it is about the cultural impact and the cultural connection that people have with species. An enormous number of people like the grey squirrels in their parks and gardens, and the foxes, because they are entry-level wildlife for them, that's what they have in their environments, that they don't live in an extraordinarily rich biodiverse environment, and none of us do. Our research shows that people have a strong connection to them - they fill their lives which otherwise wouldn't be there.
After making this film, where do you stand on the future of Ring-necked Parakeets in Britain? Should we celebrate them, manage them or simply learn to live alongside them?
We should certainly learn to live alongside them. I think it would be reckless, culturally insensitive, and economically unviable to remove them, so we have to learn to live alongside them. In fact, I think that we should celebrate them for the time being, and if it turns out that at some stage in the future they, the changing population and or its behaviour means that they damage that natural human interest then we would have to learn how to manage them hopefully in a passive way, but if not, then in a humane way. But I think we're far away from that.
Do you think there's an element of what some have called "ornithological xenophobia" in the way parakeets are portrayed?
I do - I think it's an ugly side to life which we see in broader society. There's very, very definitely a tendency towards that.
When we describe species as "native" and "non-native", is there a risk that the conversation becomes more emotional than scientific?
Yes, language is incredibly important. Native and non-native, I think, are perfectly valid terms. So is invasive, so long as we understand what they mean and why we use those terms again in a scientific way, and not in a way which is designed to stir up antipathy and cause divisiveness or fuel hatred without any proper access to the truth. Language is incredibly important in our culture. That's why it's used so skilfully by those people who do want to generate division, and so on and so forth. We have to be very careful with the way that we use our words.
Do you think the debate around parakeets tells us as much about people as it does about birds?
Very much so And I think you can see in our programme. You can see hatred and you can see love and you know it from someone who loves life and all life, everything in the creeps, stings and slimes. You know, which side I'm going to fall on, and ultimately when it comes down to the individuals, it's not the squirrels' fault or the parakeets' fault that they're here. We should look at our behaviour, our attitudes and practices, and not focus our ire on a bird which has, against its will, been transported to the UK and established itself here. It simply wants to do what all other life wants to do, which just survive.





